tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post3660070824283834257..comments2024-03-27T21:54:31.247-07:00Comments on Web Series Today: Caution: Fan Video or Copyright Infringement?modelmotionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12005411582406219607noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-68189560833938642142008-11-17T14:07:00.000-08:002008-11-17T14:07:00.000-08:00I love how *I* am supposedly the one with issues, ...I love how *I* am supposedly the one with issues, and *I* am the one you lost respect for, when milo's post pretty much proved everything I said.<BR/><BR/>The truth is not an opinion. Do you think it was all that nice to make up a bunch of lies about the Creators, snl?<BR/>And don't you think deliberately instilling fear in the community by willfully making up facts out of thin air qualifies as "causing drama", mikey?<BR/><BR/>You can try to mark me the evil, angry man all you want (no doubt to protect Ever), but try as you might - you can not change the fact that, after 63 comments, not a single of the claims in the post has been proven, while all my counter-claims have evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-73891383244920926502008-11-16T16:04:00.000-08:002008-11-16T16:04:00.000-08:00It isn't the first time he's caused drama for the ...It isn't the first time he's caused drama for the sake of causing drama. Remember when he was looking for that half naked dude and then snapped on people simply for asking why he was looking for the individual, even though they were willing to help? <BR/>Kid has issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-71330025782493380552008-11-16T11:17:00.000-08:002008-11-16T11:17:00.000-08:00I see that I am late in responding to this post. I...I see that I am late in responding to this post. I have read Renegade's response to this post, and I must say Gade, you have a right to your opinion, and maybe even have a point. But you viciously attacked Evergreen and that was completely uncalled for. You maybe could have been a tiny bit nice about making your point and considered Evergreen's feelings before posting that comment. I personally, no longer have any respect for you.snl06https://www.blogger.com/profile/03983246087673818925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-74716445280914344032008-11-14T15:41:00.000-08:002008-11-14T15:41:00.000-08:00I take it honesty is not a virtue important to you...I take it honesty is not a virtue important to you, then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-43405241408891834832008-11-14T11:30:00.000-08:002008-11-14T11:30:00.000-08:00/me points at gade's faceThat's where it says that.../me points at gade's face<BR/><BR/>That's where it says that!BrightSilencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795411514589718216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-5116202372797233722008-11-14T10:31:00.000-08:002008-11-14T10:31:00.000-08:00Thanks, milo....on a certain level. It's a shame m...Thanks, milo....on a certain level. It's a shame model just gets away with publishing unverified bullshit, but whoever wants to compare the quotes in my original post with milo's text will see that it's (still) the same form mail I am working with.<BR/><BR/>Now, if I have 6 of these saying that, and milo has the same one, probability is high <I>all</I> of them look like that.<BR/><BR/>modelmotion or Evergreen - since someone else was nice enough to provide you something actually valid to work with (other than your own magination) <B>- would one of you point out -for all of us - where<BR/>- YouTube alleges copyright infringement.<BR/>- YouTube instructed milo to delete his videos, among other things.<BR/>- YouTube threatened to remove his accounts as a reaction to that incident.<BR/>- YouTube is offering him a choice about the action taken.<BR/>?</B><BR/><BR/>In other words, now that you finally actually have the e-mail you have been spouting lies about, would you please go ahead and try to justify your claims, or just <B>finally retract this bullshit post</B>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-62958487655859357212008-11-14T06:30:00.000-08:002008-11-14T06:30:00.000-08:00Lurves me some EQAL drama...The c's have been inco...Lurves me some EQAL drama...<BR/><BR/>The c's have been incompetent with tech issues since Day One. That said, I doubt there is any malice intended towards the phans and it appears as though they are trying to address the issue.<BR/><BR/>What's a shame is that they don't seem to have a handle on tech issues and blunder into these kind of phan alienation problems at every turn. Just because you show PowerPoint presentations to Valley Angels means you are technically competent, witness the lameO Shiny New Phorum.<BR/><BR/>EQAL needs to spend the money on hiring a competent tech outfit and should stop trying to do this stuff themselves. They constantly phail.<BR/><BR/>Same as it ever was...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-53142013355962969962008-11-14T04:44:00.000-08:002008-11-14T04:44:00.000-08:00I have a feeling this was all just one big acciden...I have a feeling this was all just one big accident. They were probably curious to see how many people were using their videos just to know (I know I would be) and when they signed up for the service everyone got a notice.veela-valoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14440035766192540156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-64959227203908440652008-11-13T22:39:00.000-08:002008-11-13T22:39:00.000-08:00here's the email i just got for my new video:Dear ...here's the email i just got for my new video:<BR/><BR/>Dear milowent,<BR/><BR/>Your video "Motel Twist! (The Inconsistence Ep. 2)" has been identified by YouTube's Content Identification program as containing copyrighted content which lonelygirl15 claims is theirs.<BR/><BR/>Your video "Motel Twist! (The Inconsistence Ep. 2)" is still available because lonelygirl15 does not object to this content appearing on YouTube at this time. As long as lonelygirl15 has a claim on your video, they will receive public statistics about your video, such as number of views. Viewers may also see advertising on your video's page.<BR/><BR/>Claim Details:<BR/>Copyright owner: lonelygirl15<BR/>Content claimed: Some or all of the visual content<BR/>Policy: Allow this content to remain on YouTube.<BR/><BR/>* Place advertisements on this video's watch page.<BR/><BR/>*Applies to these locations:<BR/>Everywhere<BR/><BR/>lonelygirl15 claimed this content as a part of the YouTube Content Identification program. YouTube allows partners to review YouTube videos for content to which they own the rights. Partners may use our automated video / audio matching system to identify their content, or they may manually review videos.<BR/><BR/>If you believe that this claim was made in error, or that you are otherwise authorized to use the content at issue, you can dispute this claim with lonelygirl15 and view other options in the Video ID Matches section of your YouTube account. Please note that YouTube does not mediate copyright disputes between content owners. Learn more about video identification disputes.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>The YouTube Content Identification Team<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>seems ok, at least at this point.milowenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11970503858469369658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-38708163608919918742008-11-13T21:44:00.000-08:002008-11-13T21:44:00.000-08:00I believe the reason that there was a post was tha...I believe the reason that there was a post was that there was no follow up from Amanda. Hence no one was sure that the problem had been resolved and there was no way of knowing without publicly raising the issue. That said, it is great that the issue has been dealt with.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully in the future Eqal will develop a more effective way of dealing with fan concerns but we do understand that at this time they are juggling a lot of balls.modelmotionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12005411582406219607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-58587161984357391162008-11-13T21:19:00.000-08:002008-11-13T21:19:00.000-08:00kudos to amanda for responding.the creators have n...kudos to amanda for responding.<BR/><BR/>the creators have never been ANYTHING but supportive of fan videos, including parodies and spinoff series of all types. they deserve CREDIT for allowing this to occur and supporting it.<BR/><BR/>with that background, they deserved the benefit of the doubt on this youtube thing, and amanda had already posted elsewhere that they were looking into it.milowenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11970503858469369658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-14703265862673761622008-11-13T20:07:00.000-08:002008-11-13T20:07:00.000-08:00If he says slander one more time I will PULL THIS ...If he says slander one more time I will PULL THIS CAR OVERjenlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05960021549164704043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-32941737988834028422008-11-13T19:58:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:58:00.000-08:00If you keep throwing red herrings I can sell them ...If you keep throwing red herrings I can sell them at the harbor by morning and will be rich by 10.<BR/><BR/><B>None of what you just said justifies lies and slander, none of what you just said proves the factual accuracy of the original post, and none of what you just said changes that you are unable to verify the original post.</B><BR/><BR/>I understand people are angry. But at least post and discuss the <I>real</I> reason they angry, don't <I>invent</I> a dozen other claims to make them more angry.<BR/><BR/><B>You have a bunch of serious claims and allegation in your original post. I have provided links that prove several of them false, I have the proof to prove several more are false, and Amanda has just said there is no legal threat in the first place.<BR/><BR/>WHAT DO YOU HAVE? What is your justification for keeping this post up despite the fact that it is evidently false and misleading?</B><BR/><BR/><BR/>And for the record, I do notice your cheap attempt to quickly seal this now and weasel out of before having to explain to anyone why you post unverified slander on the blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-11694649139985882992008-11-13T19:55:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:55:00.000-08:00Ren I did not write the post. All i know is what ...Ren I did not write the post. <BR/><BR/>All i know is what was discussed in chat so you will have to discuss the post with Ever.<BR/><BR/>As far as I can tell Amanda did not have a problem with the post and she has resolved the problem with YouTube so we can now all move on.modelmotionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12005411582406219607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-66149822105185314882008-11-13T19:49:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:49:00.000-08:00The anger comes from the fact that people entered ...The anger comes from the fact that people entered a contest at the invitation of the Creators. Some of those who entered the competition were then issued notices from YouTube which accused them of using copyrighted material (which was in fact the entire purpose of the Eqal competition) because of the settings that Eqal had selected. Since Eqal has now done the right thing and changed the settings lets hope this problem has been resolved. <BR/><BR/>However a number of fans were extremely upset and that is neither good for Eqal or the show. If this post highlighted the issue and aided in communication then it has served its purpose.<BR/><BR/>All of this could have been avoided if Eqal had communicated with fans when they first raised this issue.modelmotionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12005411582406219607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-76116794077809512142008-11-13T19:45:00.001-08:002008-11-13T19:45:00.001-08:00Not that lame Joe... not that lame. :)Not that lame Joe... not that lame. :)jazmyngreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08084549185795026693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-54781758183524954162008-11-13T19:45:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:45:00.000-08:00I have linked to that other page in my very first ...I have linked to that other page in my very first comment on this page. Now explain to me how that is equal to <I>"These notices instructed the channel owner to either delete the video from their account, delete their Youtube account, or allow LG15 to advertise on their video."</I>?<BR/><BR/>In addition, <I>"I do not have a copy of the original e-mail so I cannot comment on the accuracy of the post"</I> basically tells the community all it has to know. <B>You cannot proof what your blog publishes because you don't know the facts in the first place. You don't know if anything in that post is true.</B> And yet, you refuse to do the right thing and take it down until the question of accuracy has been settled.<BR/><BR/>Are you even aware of how ridiculous your logic is there?<BR/>Blog: "The Creators threaten X in their notice!"<BR/>Ren: "Err...no they don't. Prove that?"<BR/>Blog: "Prove that they don't."<BR/>Ren: "Burden of proof? You go first?"<BR/>Blog: "How am I supposed to prove that? I don't have the notice!"<BR/><BR/>I have told you before, I will gladly release my e-mail once you have done your part. If you are unable to verify the factual accuracy of this blog post, then clear it for the time being and place a note that the factual accuracy of it has been disputed. <I>All of us</I> can then take a look at the actual notice and see if anything in there supports the wild allegations made by LG15 Today.<BR/><BR/>Quite frankly, it is a mystery to me how you can actually resist on this issue if I have already proven by double linkage that at least parts of the post are inaccurate, and you have no way of checking whether the rest is true.<BR/><B>Even if you don't believe me at all, the very fact that you cannot fact check Ever's claims should be reason enough for you to temporarily take it down until the question of accuracy is settled.</B><BR/><BR/>As for your latest post, that was also in my original post - do you actually dispute your are using material copyrighted by Eqal? As I have mentioned multiple times before, the allegation that YouTube alleges copyright infringement is <I>false</I>. It simply doesn't. It informs you that YouTube has identified that content as being owned by "lonelygirl15". And that is a <B>fact</B>. Or are you claiming you own the copyright to "Daniel's" ninja video footage?<BR/><BR/>In addition, you conveniently ignore the fact that both YouTube's notice as well as Amanda here and on Inside have said that this notice should not be coming and they are trying to get it to be fixed.<BR/><BR/>There is no legal threat. There is no allegation of infringement. You are creating a controversy where there is none.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Are you going to continue defending this post even after admitting you cannot check whether it is true or not, or will you take it down for now?</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-43641338560152944972008-11-13T19:43:00.001-08:002008-11-13T19:43:00.001-08:00Amanda,Lame jokes are good. Especially right now....Amanda,<BR/>Lame jokes are good. Especially right now.<BR/><BR/>A guy walks into a bar. He says "Ouch"<BR/><BR/>Knock-Knock<BR/>Who's there?<BR/>Boo<BR/>Boo who?<BR/>No need to cry, its only a joke.<BR/><BR/>And I'm out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-2835634312123680532008-11-13T19:43:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:43:00.000-08:00Yay Amanda! Thanks for the clarification.(And tha...Yay Amanda! Thanks for the clarification.<BR/><BR/>(And thanks for making my post moot, since you answered while I was typing.)bella_swan_https://www.blogger.com/profile/04499960009142205881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-60287202189255130382008-11-13T19:42:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:42:00.000-08:00I will fight the order!! :)I will fight the order!! :)betz28https://www.blogger.com/profile/17679655774126818066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-16471287017206141742008-11-13T19:41:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:41:00.000-08:00Thanks Amanda. That is all we really needed to kno...Thanks Amanda. That is all we really needed to know. Thanks for taking care of it!!!modelmotionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12005411582406219607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-38148804092600028782008-11-13T19:40:00.001-08:002008-11-13T19:40:00.001-08:00I don't understand why the Creators are being blam...I don't understand why the Creators are being blamed for any of this at all. Why is there always such hostility towards them?<BR/><BR/>EQAL obviously is trying to protect their vids from people using them like thousands of other copyrighted vids. People post other people's videos as their own on YouTube all of the time.<BR/><BR/>If in trying to protect their property from people like that, YouTube's filters pick up fanfic too, how is this in any way the Creators'/EQAL's fault?<BR/><BR/>It isn't a very difficult concept to understand. We all know that the Creators have always encouraged and supported fan vids. And, since Amanda has ALREADY stated in so many words that they still feel the same way, and to keep making vids, why was the original post made in the first place?<BR/><BR/>Without using the terminology that another poster has made, I'll just say that the original post, and many of the comments made here in support of it, are just plain wrong and hostile towards the Creators for very petty reasons.<BR/><BR/>I don't think they will ever make a bunch of you happy, so I really have to wonder why you still watch, and why you even care -- just delete your videos and move on. <BR/><BR/>If people have left, oh well. That this would be the reason shows they had no real desire to stay anyway.bella_swan_https://www.blogger.com/profile/04499960009142205881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-15994348767454537852008-11-13T19:40:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:40:00.000-08:00we have a resolution or at least some response fro...we have a resolution or at least some response from Amanda, can we stop beating the dead horse now, there's nothing left.jazmyngreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08084549185795026693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-41760850677074789792008-11-13T19:37:00.000-08:002008-11-13T19:37:00.000-08:00From YouTube:The match is wrong! What is the dispu...From YouTube:<BR/><BR/>The match is wrong! What is the dispute process?<BR/>If you feel your video has been misidentified by the Video Identification system, you can dispute the identification. This involves filling out a short form listing the reason for your dispute. We then notify the content owner whose reference material was matched. The content owner will then review the match. If the content owner disagrees with your dispute for any reason, they will have the option to submit a copyright takedown notice which will result in the disabling of your video and/or penalties against your account. To avoid penalization, only submit legitimate dispute claims.<BR/><BR/>http://help.youtube.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=83768<BR/>-------<BR/><BR/>So again, "If the content owner disagrees with your dispute for any reason, they will have the option to submit a copyright takedown notice which will result in the disabling of your video and/or penalties against your account.".<BR/><BR/>If you dispute the claim made by Eqal it can result in "penalties against your account". I think we all know exactly what that means. Right? That would seem to be generally in line with what was written in the article which was fairly general in its terminology.modelmotionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12005411582406219607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-23573286697279408492008-11-13T19:28:00.001-08:002008-11-13T19:28:00.001-08:00Hey everyone! Don't fight each other... fight the ...Hey everyone! Don't fight each other... fight the order. Ok that was lame, but I'm just trying to break the ice. :) All of your videos are important to us. It amazes me how much talent and creativity the LG15 community has...we want the world to see your videos! We certainly don't want any videos or accounts to be deleted. In response to your concerns, we have reached out to youtube and asked them to fix it. We've been told that the settings have been changed and this will no longer happen. Let us know if this continues and we'll speak to them again. Please, keep creating and keep fighting... the order!Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10085374537968020944noreply@blogger.com