tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post7197904284719116272..comments2024-03-27T21:54:31.247-07:00Comments on Web Series Today: LGPedia Under Attack!modelmotionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12005411582406219607noreply@blogger.comBlogger159125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-68152176527554336102009-03-13T14:36:00.000-07:002009-03-13T14:36:00.000-07:00Um...actually...-> March 9, 2009 10:40 PM-> ...Um...actually...<BR/><BR/>-> March 9, 2009 10:40 PM<BR/>-> March 13, 2009 12:20 AM<BR/><BR/>...we <I>did</I> leave it alone >_>Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-49045560817132070482009-03-13T00:20:00.000-07:002009-03-13T00:20:00.000-07:00I cannot believe that. *dumps this conversation in...I cannot believe that. <BR/><BR/>*dumps this conversation into the 436*<BR/><BR/>Not because of censorship. <BR/><BR/>Because if you want people to listen you, state your point. If they do not respond, you state it again. <BR/><BR/>Then you leave it alone. <BR/><BR/>PS I am known in the LG15 world as grace2_89. If y'all want my real name, it's Angie. I'm not hiding. <BR/><BR/>*throws hands up in the air*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-87436277092064991232009-03-09T22:40:00.000-07:002009-03-09T22:40:00.000-07:00@LGS:Which allegations are left unproven?As far as...<B>@LGS:</B><BR/>Which allegations are left unproven?<BR/>As far as I can tell, I have only talked to you twice before in this thread - and the large majority of that was asking you what the hell you were talking about - something you have yet to reply to.<BR/><BR/>About the LG15Originz thing...again, you're just spouting random imaginations of yours, while I'm looking at the facts:<BR/>March 5, 2009 9:01 PM -> TJ Marsh posting<BR/>March 5, 2009 9:05 PM -> LG15Originz posting<BR/><BR/>March 5, 2009 9:07 PM -> TJ Marsh posting<BR/>March 5, 2009 9:08 PM -> LG15Originz posting, <I>pointing to a domain registered to TJ Marsh</I><BR/><BR/>March 5, 2009 9:36 PM -> LG15Originz posting<BR/>March 5, 2009 9:36 PM -> TJ Marsh posting<BR/>Once is a coincidence. Every time, with Originz directly promoting his stuff? Unlikely. If you want to out yourself as the puppet master behind the unregistered opposition, go right ahead - I don't mind. Only proves that those posts were just noise, irrelevant to the topic. Until you do - any claim that you know who it is, and that my assumption is wrong, is just another unproven claim of yours.<BR/><BR/>As for calling you a troll, and yet another round of trying to discredit my posts without any evidence: The challenge still stands - point out the exact instances, and I will reply.<BR/>But the facts stand: You openly admitted to not having read 95% of this thread, and to only posting to attack my posts (<I>"MY POSTS were to make the point of you are bloviating excessively"</I>/<I>"As to WHY I am posting here..because I argued extensively against your control freak move at the LGpedia relative to User Generated Content"</I>).<BR/>So...yes. I am calling you a troll. Based on your own admission that you have posted off topic, haven't read the thread, and are solely here to attack my posts. (Not to mention the admission "I dont fucking like you", and personal attacks like "you are really pathetic".)<BR/><BR/>Not that it's any of your business, but I have contributed a variety of material to the community, from illustrations, over entertainment and informational videos, I have laid the foundation and contributed the vast majority of many of the templates currently in use on the pedia, I have designed or contributed to the design of several of the portals on the pedia, I have provided audio records of BreeFM for those who couldn't be there, I have operated a pedia support bot in the past to automate mundane tasks, I am currently operating a bot in chat that enjoys popularity, not to mention thousands of content edits on the pedia outside of discussions as well as helping newbies get into pedia editing or into the basics of chat.<BR/><BR/>I could try to ask back what <I>you</I> have ever contributed to the community, outside of a mediocre series none of the new people has ever seen, that ended what? two years ago?, but hell - for one, the answer is very most likely "nothing" anyway, and for two, it's irrelevant. We're not here to discuss contributions. We're here to discuss how far from reality model's claim of an "attack" on LGPedia are. Everything else are just cheap attempts by you to divert the discussion and to attack me.<BR/><BR/>So, back on topic: Feel free to point out where in model's "this is censorship!!!!!" posts he actually answered my questions. Where he actually answered who the "many" people who "have come to see this censorship as a shallow attempt [...]" are. Where he actually answered whether we should see him as a news reporter or a news commenter. Where he actually explained why the pages being locked should be regarded as a significant number of pages being locked of the set locked pages, instead of counting it against the whole set of pages.<BR/>Feel free to point any of that out.<BR/><BR/>You constantly repeat phrases like "you do the things you claim others do all the time" or "You are incapable of meeting the standard you try to hold others to", and yet, after all these long posts, you still fail to prove it. The only thing you achieved so far was copy-pasting a wall of text from walloftext.net. That's it. And that wasn't even on topic. The rest is just guesswork, unproven claims you know more than me or everyone else, and unsourced allegations against me.<BR/>You're just blabbering, old man. Nothing more.<BR/><BR/>And your next post continues as usual:<BR/><I>"Ok...Populism is typically considered to be more closely associated with the Democratic party and the sorts of policies they encact.."</I><BR/>Unsourced for one, and irrelevant anyway - because even <I>if</I> populism would be associated with the democrats, that does not automatically mean that Fox News is <I>not</I> populist, and it does not automatically mean that <I>model</I> is not a populist.<BR/><BR/>But given everything you have posted so far, it doesn't surprise me you'd resort to such tactics in a cheap attempt to confuse anyone who might be left reading.Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-57474552644179020452009-03-09T15:36:00.000-07:002009-03-09T15:36:00.000-07:00@Ren..starting with your first post..OHHHH the con...@Ren..starting with your first post..OHHHH the contradictions..let me count the ways... <BR/>Ren wrote<BR/><BR/>"oooooh, it's Fox News time again?<BR/>Awesome! *gets his discussion hat*<BR/><BR/><BR/>No, seriously. To provide the information our favorite populist left out, the deleted pages are"<BR/><BR/>Ok...Populism is typically considered to be more closely associated with the Democratic party and the sorts of policies they encact..<BR/><BR/>Fox News is often considered to be a Republican oriented News organization..<BR/>I however think their slant is center right whereas the "regular" news and CNN,etc are firmly on the left.<BR/>More to come...LG422@aol.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309165120429382506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-30803341208745513462009-03-09T15:29:00.000-07:002009-03-09T15:29:00.000-07:00Anonymous..Concise does not ever EXIST where ren i...Anonymous..Concise does not ever EXIST where ren is involved...I thought I was verbose but..he makes me feel like a mute. I can link you to the UGC/fanfic revamp talk discussion for a great example of what concise is NOT..and for why nobody wants to answer anything he has to say. The reason it may SEEM modelmotion has invisible supporters is because after being bent over for a Japanese Bullet train...without lube.. on numerous occasions by the Cs..and for having experienced way too many fights with OCD organizers on the Pedia..under varying administrations..people just really dont give a fuck. They have better ways to spend their time than fighting the Hitler Youth.LG422@aol.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309165120429382506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-62508647879965492952009-03-09T14:48:00.000-07:002009-03-09T14:48:00.000-07:00http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/concise?qsr...http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/concise?qsrc=2888Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-84962294657304017852009-03-09T14:29:00.000-07:002009-03-09T14:29:00.000-07:00@ RenThen show the proof for the allegations you h...@ Ren<BR/><BR/>Then show the proof for the allegations you have made regarding me.<BR/><BR/>You made other allegations that Originz was TJ..It was not..and it was not I...it WAS the same person that gave the answers under the NOTMODELMOTION name.. You're smart...figure it out...I did..His writing style and sense of humor are rather obvious..<BR/><BR/>Also..you accuse me of trolling.. It amazes me that such PURE trolls are always so fast to accuse others of trolling..its what you did/do...SIT under the bridge waiting for unknowing and unsuspecting travelers to show up at the bridge that is LG15chat..How's that working out there...busy room..good job..as to my sourcing for YOU being a troll...scroll up...its right there..if ya need more..I can dig up that talk discussion from the UGC revamp fanfic.. <BR/>Its what you do..its your method of argument. WRITE THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN..make repeated fallacious statements and arguments until everyone finally says " I have a life..and things to do..I do not have a hour 4 times a day to answer questions on a message board and arguments from someone that will never BUDGE from a fallacious standpoint.<BR/><BR/>Also..once again..What have you ever contributed to this community that was of a creative and constructive nature..that did not tear down or hinder someone else's work? <BR/><BR/>Just because Model gave answers you dont find acceptable does not mean he didnt give them..<BR/>Its funny I picked up things from this A1 cluster fuck of which I havent even read half yet..that you missed...You are not anywhere near as sharp as you think..and you Owe TJ an apology.<BR/><BR/>Additionally you wrote.<BR/>"thanks to Fox News campaign by model a while ago, which successfully vilified any pedia editor who even dares thinking about deleting a UGC-related page."<BR/>and<BR/>" let us all ponder the fact that model has mysteriously vanished without answering any questions or backing up any of the claims in his post.<BR/><BR/>Maybe he has gained invisibility from hanging out too much with his giant crowd of invisible supporters?" <BR/>I could go on and on..because your easy..you do the things you claim others do all the time.. You have not actually addressed any of MY questions..and I didnt have to read more than 5% of this A-1 clusterfuck to ask specific questions which you brushed aside..<BR/>Frankly, You are incapable of meeting the standard you try to hold others to...but that is typical of a hypocrite and that is exactly what you are...to the core.<BR/>But you will once again attempt to brush me aside as just a troll or someone that is controversial or uninformed...but thats because you lack the intellectual honesty necessary to have an actual discussion..you should be in politics..Fascism seems to suit you well.LG422@aol.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309165120429382506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-25898039935025666242009-03-09T09:56:00.000-07:002009-03-09T09:56:00.000-07:00Sorry Apo, but I'm neither a contributor nor admin...Sorry Apo, but I'm neither a contributor nor admin on LGPedia. There's nothing more I can do than you already did.<BR/>Besides, given that your pages are tagged as fanfic, it might be very hard to get them deleted - thanks to Fox News campaign by model a while ago, which successfully vilified any pedia editor who even dares thinking about deleting a UGC-related page.<BR/><BR/>In other words, thanks to the fear of "OMG THE PEDIA IS CRACKING DOWN ON FANFIC AGAIN! THEY ARE ALL EQAL-SHILLS!!" few of the people who've been around back then would touch anything marked UGC.<BR/>I guess the easiest way to get rid of your stuff would be<A HREF="http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:FH14" REL="nofollow">talking to FH14 directly</A>.<BR/><BR/><B>@LGS:</B><BR/><I>"I am sorry? what part of that is not unproven claims and allegations? [...]"</I><BR/>What of that is <I>not</I> unproven claims? Basically everything.<BR/><BR/><I>"Indeed..I posted a LOT of shit off topic here..I frankly haven't read 95% of this A-1 clusterfuck.."</I><BR/><BR/><I>"As to WHY I am posting here..because I argued extensively against your control freak move at the LGpedia relative to User Generated Content."</I><BR/><BR/><I>"And Yes..that IS a personal attack..because personally..I dont fucking like you."</I><BR/><BR/><B>These quotes say more than I could say in a reply. Thanks for your trolling, LGS. You may leave now.</B><BR/>For anyone else, I will gladly source anything left that may be unsourced, or retract it if I can't. I am unaware of such a statement, and the only one who claimed there was one was someone who admitted to not having read "95% of this A-1 clusterfuck". Therefore, I have no reason to believe there is one.<BR/><BR/>So yeah...if anyone who has actually read the thread sees holes in my argumentation, feel free to point them out. In the meantime, let us all ponder the fact that model has mysteriously vanished without answering any questions or backing up any of the claims in his post.<BR/><BR/>Maybe he has gained invisibility from hanging out too much with his giant crowd of invisible supporters?Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-57462297801017938652009-03-08T05:11:00.000-07:002009-03-08T05:11:00.000-07:00I'm VERY UPSET.I'm VERY UPSET.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-22145379157402454392009-03-08T00:46:00.000-08:002009-03-08T00:46:00.000-08:00Renegade, I was hoping you might help me out again...Renegade, I was hoping you might help me out again.<BR/><BR/>I've been trying to get an LGPedia page about my work deleted.<BR/><BR/>You might be aware that some of my work has been featured at the lonelygirl15 site, and that I have been mentioned in both an lg15 video and a NikkiBowerReport video.<BR/><BR/>I suggest that my request to have that page deleted is no different than an investor requesting deletion. My investment may have been my time instead of millions of my dollars, but it was an investment nonetheless.<BR/><BR/>I've tagged the page for deletion more than once, but to no avail.<BR/><BR/>Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.ApotheosisAZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02691862744201801350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-67286327877367493592009-03-07T23:14:00.000-08:002009-03-07T23:14:00.000-08:00@Ren...geez yer easy..You said.."Can you prove any...@Ren...geez yer easy..<BR/><BR/>You said..<BR/><BR/>"Can you prove any of that? Can you show up anything on the issue I said that is not based in fact?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Can you do anything but lame attempts of dragging this thread off topic?<BR/>(I'm curious, what are you getting out of covering model's ass here? Better coverage for an upcoming series or something? "LordGreystoke2009: The Last Resistance"?)"<BR/><BR/>I am sorry? what part of that is not unproven claims and allegations? You make CONSTANT UNSUPPORTED claims and allegations towards anyone that does not agree with you. Just because you posted a 60k character post does not mean that is sourced..and just because you sourced SOME of your allegations does not mean that you sourced ALL of them. SO frankly sir..until you hold yourself to your own standard..Have a coke and a smile and STFU. <BR/><BR/>Indeed..I posted a LOT of shit off topic here..I frankly haven't read 95% of this A-1 clusterfuck.. MY POSTS were to make the point of you are bloviating excessively.. And..I have strong interest in Economic History..because damn near everyone else is ignorant on it..I can source the FUCK out of everything I said on THAT subject if you would like..and FRANKLY...Bringing up FDR actually DOES have relevance when talking about movements away from personal freedom. But Frankly...I posted that stuff in the hopes that maybe one person might garner an interest in it..and the fact that I enjoyed writing it all off the top of my head.<BR/><BR/>Also..with regards to coverage for a New Series..I haven't watched this shit since all the way back at Motel Tryst...I have not the foggiest what the fuck is going on..but if I DID do something..I wouldnt have to do a DAMN thing to get stellar coverage here..because a segment of this community views me as VERY relevant for some inexplicable reason..<BR/><BR/>As to WHY I am posting here..because I argued extensively against your control freak move at the LGpedia relative to User Generated Content..granted AFTER the horse was already being forgotten..but you are really pathetic..you critique every little thing that other people do..<BR/><BR/>Look..its not our fault that no matter what you did..Vati never thought it was good enough..or whatever it may be that causes your malfunction. And Yes..that IS a personal attack..because personally..I dont fucking like you. You are overbearing and abusive to others that do nothing to deserve it..You are domineering and insecure and utilize this medium as a way to compensate for whatever deep seeded feelings of inadequacy that you feel. Sure you tell yourself you're great..but the way you go OUT of your way to attack the work of others when frankly..I am unsure of what you have contributed to this community anywhere that didnt in some way hinder or deconstruct or damage someone else's work in some way,<BR/>Schwanzlutscher. You call TJ and myself Controversial.. WELL Mr Pot..I Mr Kettle and My associate Mr. Coal are indeed black. You want controversy? I can repost that discussion on the UGC revamp that you posted on the pedia..would that be ample source to evidence the CONTROVERSY that you yourself so greatly fostered if not created?<BR/><BR/>As to naming names...when the fuck is BK gonna name the names of the actors that wanted their Pedia pages removed? Until then..until you hold the SOURCE of the problem to the same standard you care to hold ModelMotion to..Frankly sir..Die in a fire..LordGreystoke422https://www.blogger.com/profile/04721315527610732787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-82206129811511684412009-03-07T22:13:00.000-08:002009-03-07T22:13:00.000-08:00@LGS:Can you prove any of that? Can you show up an...<B>@LGS:</B><BR/>Can you prove any of that? Can you show up anything on the issue I said that is not based in fact?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Can you do <I>anything</I> but lame attempts of dragging this thread off topic?<BR/>(I'm curious, what are you getting out of covering model's ass here? Better coverage for an upcoming series or something? "LordGreystoke2009: The Last Resistance"?)<BR/><BR/><BR/>If you do manage to fabricate something I supposedly said on the issue that was not sourced, I'll happily do my burden of proof justice (if it exists).<BR/>Then again, given model's lack of sources for basically anything he said in the article, the score would be what? One to a dozen unsourced claims?<BR/>Not counting your long string of unformatted, unproven claims and allegations?<BR/><BR/><B>@model:</B><BR/>All questions still stand. Are you a news reporter or a news commenter?Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-71574727069834155592009-03-07T20:17:00.000-08:002009-03-07T20:17:00.000-08:00no doubt tyler asked to be deleted because he didn...no doubt tyler asked to be deleted because he didn't want to be associated with the horror of coding that is lg15.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-16210351589122649662009-03-07T15:17:00.000-08:002009-03-07T15:17:00.000-08:00ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz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thats what your posts make people want to do.<BR/>As to Libel Ren..Look in the mirror..as to fallacious arguments..look in the mirror..as to unproven accusations..Look in the mirror.<BR/>You engage in as much unsupported supposition as anyone else posting..<BR/>You speculate that I suddenly show up and post..The bot posts links regularly when I am around and not around to various stories..usually I dont even look much less comment...but I saw the excessive bloviation and being a prime bloviater myself..I jumped in..cause I felt like it..<BR/>If ModelMotion followed the lead of the LGpedia..this comment thread would have been locked over 100 posts ago..<BR/>AS to MM lacking support...thats cause most people are like I am these days...WHO gives a fuck...turn out the lights and lock the door at Eqal...say hello to the second Great Depression...Say Hello to 15% unemployment...say Hello to erosions of free speech..say Hello to Narco Gang Violence..Say Hello to war on the N.Korean Peninsula..Say hello to Nuclear War in the Middle East..Say hell to me wishing I was going to be wrong about ALL of it..but not being very hopeful..so frankly with regards to all this silly shit..who fucking cares...its just preparing you for your future in a country filled with Censorship.LordGreystoke422https://www.blogger.com/profile/04721315527610732787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-57876991898669500592009-03-07T14:29:00.000-08:002009-03-07T14:29:00.000-08:00"I believe it is an established maxim in morals th..."I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him. "<BR/><BR/>Also Abraham Lincoln.Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-61707881094537399812009-03-07T14:16:00.000-08:002009-03-07T14:16:00.000-08:00One score and ten months ago, the Creators brought...One score and ten months ago, the Creators brought forth on this internet a new wiki, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all editors are creating EQAL.<BR/><BR/>Now we are engaged in a great flame war, testing whether that wiki, or any wiki, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.ApotheosisAZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02691862744201801350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-62732127512507037252009-03-07T14:14:00.000-08:002009-03-07T14:14:00.000-08:00(Did I mention that the entire "wall of text" argu...(Did I mention that the entire "wall of text" argument is invalid anyway, 'cause it's only a "wall of text" due to <I>model's</I> blog design, which only leaves only 485px of width for the comments [out of a possible 1024+]? If you click on "Post a comment" and look at my posts in the comment popup, at a reasonable [i.e. post-1985] width, you'll see that there's not much of a wall there - and formatting to support readability.<BR/><BR/>But hey, who cares for facts around here?)<BR/><BR/>(So...is this better than having all in one post?)Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-47398202027475323002009-03-07T14:02:00.000-08:002009-03-07T14:02:00.000-08:00(For the bemused onlookers, memorize this moment.....(For the bemused onlookers, memorize this moment...you will see it a lot in discussions like this. They ran out of arguments, so they immediately switched to attacking me personally and my posting style, rather than replying to the facts and questions inside my posts. It's a cheap tactic, the tactic of the losers - but quite common.)Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-82770647684084759732009-03-07T13:58:00.000-08:002009-03-07T13:58:00.000-08:00in multiple replies.Would that help you?Or can you...in multiple replies.<BR/><BR/>Would that help you?<BR/><BR/>Or can you just openly admit that each individual answer I give to each individual quote of his is actually only a paragraph or two, and I simply reply to all of them at once?Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-37288316858997935152009-03-07T13:56:00.002-08:002009-03-07T13:56:00.002-08:00of pasting just as much textof pasting just as much textRenegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-6611316610215669002009-03-07T13:56:00.001-08:002009-03-07T13:56:00.001-08:00use model's methoduse model's methodRenegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-48127928231460412772009-03-07T13:56:00.000-08:002009-03-07T13:56:00.000-08:00I could of courseI could of courseRenegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-77825731816554238582009-03-07T13:55:00.000-08:002009-03-07T13:55:00.000-08:00In additionIn additionRenegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-14547292529209091562009-03-07T13:46:00.000-08:002009-03-07T13:46:00.000-08:00A weak attempt to try to discredit my posts, LGS.T...A weak attempt to try to discredit my posts, LGS.<BR/><BR/>Then again, seeing the way you act and talk, it's not surprising that the idea of actually replying to all points in a discussion is foreign to you.<BR/><BR/>If I ignored all questions and issues and only stoically repeated the same, unproven fairy tales, like model does, my replies would be nice and short as well.<BR/><BR/><B>No matter what you are trying to pretend, a long answer is not invalid just because it is long.</B><BR/>And if you want to accuse me of being long-winded on purpose to try to skew the discussion in my favor, I would like you to actually prove that, instead of just engaging in random libel and trolling.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>A little food for thought for everyone else reading: TJ Marsh and LGS are undeniably among the more "controversial" figures of the community. How often have you seen them in recent months, especially in discussions?<BR/>Do you believe it is a coincidence they both show up right here, right in this discussion, <I>just</I> when model sees he has no support among his own commenters? Do you believe it is a coincidence they both immediately, violently tried to steer the discussion off topic, tried to disrupt it, and, when that didn't work either, openly tried to discredit my posts with fallacious argumentations and unproven accusations?<BR/><BR/>Don't you think it's a little convenient that the worst of the trolls all come out and try to ruin the discussion, <I>just</I> when model is in a very uncomfortable position, discussion-wise?Renegadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473354659351425296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-63229388847124533842009-03-07T13:18:00.000-08:002009-03-07T13:18:00.000-08:00AND that Math...is exactly how the WallOText Metho...AND that Math...is exactly how the WallOText Method works...force them to capitulate...just please make the text stop..PPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE.LordGreystoke422https://www.blogger.com/profile/04721315527610732787noreply@blogger.com