tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post80131837578215043..comments2024-03-27T21:54:31.247-07:00Comments on Web Series Today: Anger : TunnelRatatat436modelmotionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12005411582406219607noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-35607604601199836712008-09-30T23:15:00.000-07:002008-09-30T23:15:00.000-07:00The overwhelming majority of the community has agr...The overwhelming majority of the community has agreed on the restoration of these videos. PLEASE respect the community and leave them alone.LordGreystoke422https://www.blogger.com/profile/04721315527610732787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-44216411996323343052008-09-30T06:11:00.000-07:002008-09-30T06:11:00.000-07:00It is very depressing that ONE man...that being Qt...It is very depressing that ONE man...that being QtheC can destroy a society's openness and freedom.LordGreystoke422https://www.blogger.com/profile/04721315527610732787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-80798924417522415892008-09-30T00:37:00.000-07:002008-09-30T00:37:00.000-07:00TunnelRatatat436 has changed the description on th...TunnelRatatat436 has changed the description on the first video in the series "Denial" on YouTube to read<BR/><BR/>(These videos may contain rapid movements which could be deemed threatening to people with IQs of 436.) <BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO23EVuCOWAQtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-90800807819924595392008-09-29T23:00:00.000-07:002008-09-29T23:00:00.000-07:00Someone, necessarily either the author, or someone...Someone, necessarily either the author, or someone with admin status at the time on this blog, edited the disclaimer in the post to read:<BR/><BR/>(The videos in this series depict angry bunnies and should not be viewed as threatening to carrots. What can we say..we are cheesy cats.)<BR/><BR/>I am editing it now so that it again matches what has been posted by the author on YouTube.<BR/><BR/>(These videos are of a fictional nature depicting a community's grief and are not intended to be taken as threatening to others)QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-86626143214310959722008-09-29T10:28:00.000-07:002008-09-29T10:28:00.000-07:00thank god, at least for once a threat on youtube a...thank god, at least for once a threat on youtube about someone else's videos did not lead to actual bloodshed.<BR/><BR/>[/drama]<BR/><BR/>let's find something else to have fun with now.milowenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11970503858469369658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-89346191745335126432008-09-28T18:06:00.000-07:002008-09-28T18:06:00.000-07:00Thank you tunnelrat and thank you Q.Thank you tunnelrat and thank you Q.JenniPowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10114880420953336529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-26731595309004885732008-09-28T16:08:00.000-07:002008-09-28T16:08:00.000-07:00Hello everyone,I just wanted to let you guys know ...Hello everyone,<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to let you guys know that after speaking with QtheC in private I believe we have came to a civil resolution.<BR/><BR/>I have assured him I mean no harm, and he has stated that he will take my word on this.TunnelRatatathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13892732491351502675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-50436615515018709422008-09-28T15:08:00.000-07:002008-09-28T15:08:00.000-07:00By the way, LordGreyStoke, would you like to be ad...By the way, LordGreyStoke, would you like to be added as a blog admin?QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-1059570434040774192008-09-28T15:07:00.000-07:002008-09-28T15:07:00.000-07:00LordGreyStoke, it's an imperfect situation. I hav...LordGreyStoke, it's an imperfect situation. I have tried to consult with Modelmotion at all stages starting with the first comment on this post and continuing with multiple emails, and he has failed to reply so far.<BR/><BR/>I am doing the best I can to bring this to a good resolution that the community will be satisfied with as quickly as possible.<BR/><BR/>Your distortions and attacks are not helping anyone.QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-5190178375918577572008-09-28T13:16:00.000-07:002008-09-28T13:16:00.000-07:00Once again..WHO MADE YOU the AUTHORITY. Where is t...Once again..WHO MADE YOU the AUTHORITY. Where is the Subtle Knife when I need it.LordGreystoke422https://www.blogger.com/profile/04721315527610732787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-38306133331497844832008-09-28T11:34:00.000-07:002008-09-28T11:34:00.000-07:00Okay, I have exchanged emails with the source of t...Okay, I have exchanged emails with the source of this series, TunnelRatatat436, and believe I have the information I need to bring this to a resolution. <BR/><BR/>I am taking this person at face value, accepting his word as to his intended message, including a clear disavowel of any intention to threaten anyone.<BR/><BR/>By resolution, I mean restoring the video series to the blog with an added explanatory note of some kind, and insuring that TunnelRatatat436 may continue as an author on the blog. <BR/><BR/>Please be patient as I confer with a few people to confirm the details.QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-50237962500677052202008-09-28T00:26:00.000-07:002008-09-28T00:26:00.000-07:00Yeah, that unilateral choice there Greg, was not e...Yeah, that unilateral choice there Greg, was not exactly what I had in mind when I agreed to restore this discussion thread. Those who want to find the video can look up the user's name on YouTube easily enough.<BR/><BR/>The point, which you seem determined to undermine, is that we are discussing why we should or should not promote this work on this blog. At this point we are not promoting it. You want that reversed? Address the issues I raised in the first comment or get the video source to do so.<BR/><BR/>So the link is being removed. It should not have been put back in this manner. Please do not initiate another editing war on this blog.QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-14414314768879951912008-09-27T12:32:00.000-07:002008-09-27T12:32:00.000-07:00I added a link to the video itself in the post, so...I added a link to the video itself in the post, so that those unfamiliar with the subject matter may catch up and be involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-24888432504951863162008-09-26T19:47:00.000-07:002008-09-26T19:47:00.000-07:00The only response to your comments I have is that ...The only response to your comments I have is that they are simply your opinions, and you are speaking for an entire community.<BR/><BR/>If you dont want these videos here, then make a poll and put it to a vote, that is the only fair way of handling this situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-6786222931880739512008-09-26T19:44:00.000-07:002008-09-26T19:44:00.000-07:00Sorry Q, but since ModelMotion is not around to in...Sorry Q, but since ModelMotion is not around to intermediate as the head Admin I am going to re-add the video, because I think that your removal of it is unfair and biased.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-80788106103179326682008-09-26T18:26:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:26:00.000-07:00For the reasons explained above, and due to the la...For the reasons explained above, and due to the lack of any satisfactory response from the source to my initial comment a day ago, I have removed these TunnelRatatat436 videos from the blog. They are available on YouTube for anyone interested in viewing them.<BR/><BR/>I'm leaving the article here so that others can read the comments if they wish, and add their own views.QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-11473995955206748762008-09-26T18:10:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:10:00.000-07:00Greg G. wrote:"Q, this blog has always supported a...Greg G. wrote:<BR/>"Q, this blog has always supported anonymous commenting, it's one of the few blogs I know of that allows it and I personally consider it something to be proud of."<BR/><BR/>I've explained my position on anonymous commenting. It should be used for mainly-informative comments or minor reactions. Opinons should be owned or they are extremely devalued, and anonymous commenters create confusion in these threads, and make discussion and resolution of differences of opinion difficult. <BR/><BR/>Too often, people here use the anonymous option to argue or attack something, and I consider that a misuse and a detriment to this blog. <BR/><BR/>I feel the detriments outweigh the convenience, but that's just my opinion - not something I am trying to impose on anyone else.QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-77763041302130649312008-09-26T18:05:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:05:00.000-07:00Reply to Greg G. continued...You said:"Also, on a ...Reply to Greg G. continued...<BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>"Also, on a third note (I know, I need to stfu and go away) I don't think it is very fair of you to threaten someone with being banned from posting on the blog unless they reveal who they are, Q. Ironically, because you find the videos threatening. No one should be forced to give out personal information about themselves if they do not wish to, that is their right to privacy."<BR/><BR/>1. I did not threaten to ban someone unless they reveal who they are. I said we should not promote this particular series for the reasons spelled out in detail above, without a compelling reason.<BR/><BR/>If I had "threatened" to ban them, it is not equivalent to the "threatening" nature of the videos - and it is not ironic at all. You are comparing exclusion from a blog to personal harm, which is a bogus comparison. <BR/><BR/>2. I did not ask for personal information about anyone.<BR/><BR/>I wrote:<BR/>"I think the source should be asked to reveal themselves rather than hiding behind the "TunnelRatatat436" alias. <BR/><BR/>If this person is not willing to do this, or to explain why there is something here of critical or constructive value beyond animosity, I'm not sure we should continue promoting the series on this blog."<BR/><BR/>"Revealing themselves" (i.e. by their name or usual alias in the community) is one of two options I suggested. If the videos were given an owner and put into context as to their intention and meaning, a constructive dialog could ensue about the merits of the owner's opinion. As it is, there is no value here, and good reason not to promote this work here.<BR/><BR/>3. <BR/>You wrote:<BR/>"Besides, how do you know TunnelRat isn't just Tunnelrat? Why the assumption that it's a sockpuppet account?"<BR/><BR/>Because it is a brand new YouTube account (created 5 days ago with just 2 videos), and this person obviously has a history with the show.QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-90036427038413491642008-09-26T17:53:00.000-07:002008-09-26T17:53:00.000-07:00Greg Gallows, You made several unfair mischaracter...Greg Gallows, You made several unfair mischaracterizations of what I said.<BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>"Also, why does someone being a veteran of Vietnam make them threatening? I understand that the job description might not be the most gentle, but thats what soldiers do. They fight, and sometimes they kill. I think that was a rather unnecessary statement that could be considered offensive to those who serve our country and who have family or friends that serve our country."<BR/><BR/>No no no, I did not mean to imply that by being a veteran someone is threatening. Not at all. I meant to imply that someone adopting the name "TunnelRat" a nickname for a particular group of brave soldiers who specifically performed dangerous search and destroy (tunnel bombing missions), they are associating themselves with that specific kind of military activity. I would be surprised if this person is actually a vet. My guess is that he or she is just trying to appear tough/cool/dangerous by naming themselves after that group.<BR/><BR/>Both my father and step-father served in Vietnam, and I have the highest respect for those that serve in the military.QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-50376902225842014612008-09-26T15:56:00.000-07:002008-09-26T15:56:00.000-07:00Also, on a third note (I know, I need to stfu and ...Also, on a third note (I know, I need to stfu and go away) I don't think it is very fair of you to threaten someone with being banned from posting on the blog unless they reveal who they are, Q. Ironically, because you find the videos threatening. No one should be forced to give out personal information about themselves if they do not wish to, that is their right to privacy.<BR/><BR/>Besides, how do you know TunnelRat isn't just Tunnelrat? Why the assumption that it's a sockpuppet account?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-15521460584540486762008-09-26T15:28:00.000-07:002008-09-26T15:28:00.000-07:00Also, this video was pretty lame, but thats just m...Also, this video was pretty lame, but thats just my opinion. Obviously someone had to have liked it or they wouldn't have made it. We don't support people trashing other peoples work here, do we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-7922118616387536612008-09-26T15:27:00.000-07:002008-09-26T15:27:00.000-07:00Q, this blog has always supported anonymous commen...Q, this blog has always supported anonymous commenting, it's one of the few blogs I know of that allows it and I personally consider it something to be proud of.<BR/><BR/>This is a community blog, and if I have a vote in the matter then I would vote a big N O for turning off anonymous commenting.<BR/><BR/>Also, why does someone being a veteran of Vietnam make them threatening? I understand that the job description might not be the most gentle, but thats what soldiers do. They fight, and sometimes they kill. I think that was a rather unnecessary statement that could be considered offensive to those who serve our country and who have family or friends that serve our country. <BR/><BR/>Just my two cents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-68508545885919816922008-09-26T11:02:00.000-07:002008-09-26T11:02:00.000-07:00its pretty obvious this was made by grant steinfel...its pretty obvious this was made by grant steinfeld, because he gets blamed for everything.<BR/><BR/>seriously though ... whoa.milowenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11970503858469369658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-57327303788049009002008-09-26T07:54:00.000-07:002008-09-26T07:54:00.000-07:00There are those of us that have a beef against the...There are those of us that have a beef against the C's...for some reason or another. But this video is just ridiculous. <BR/><BR/>Calling it "art..." that requires that some thought be put into it. As has been said, this is just basically a "You suck" message in video form. Oh, wow, they used a bunch of preset effects on the C's picture! Therefore, it must be art! <BR/><BR/>They didn't even have the thought to put in a decent description. Why the anger? What about? If they were to make a vid about that (as a few have), or post about it, that might be something worth watching. Thoughtful criticism is one thing, useless flaming is another.<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to comment on the whole anonymous and threatening thing, just because 1) This video is ridiculous, and even if the person were to be man enough to put a name to the "anger" (not criticism), it wouldn't make the video any less stupid, and 2) I didn't see the first video, thus I missed the violence hidden message.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754228927937283278.post-43079655997461196672008-09-25T22:30:00.000-07:002008-09-25T22:30:00.000-07:00The thing about free speech is that it has limits....The thing about free speech is that it has limits. The expression, "Your freedom ends where the next person's nose begins" comes to mind. <BR/><BR/>I have already explained the difference between this video series and the kind of signed thoughtful negative expressions that are welcome here.<BR/><BR/>"The tunnel rats were American, Australian and New Zealand soldiers who performed underground search and destroy missions during the Vietnam War."<BR/><BR/>Wow, and you don't think that reference reinforces the notion that these videos are vaguely threatening?<BR/><BR/>The first video has the comment from Greg with URL www.lg15.com (who I believe is Greg Goodfried, one of the people the video is aimed at as a cofounder of EQAL):<BR/><BR/>Greg said... <BR/>"errr, this was kind of scary."<BR/><BR/>Note - he's not complaining about being criticized, just reacting to the vague threat in the video.<BR/><BR/>Then tunnelratatat comes on and copies some quotations about Art, as if this series qualifies.<BR/><BR/>Elevating these videos by comparing them to the Mona Lisa, or works by Picasso or Warhol is just silly. They would need infinitely more skill and thought in the execution to justify them on that basis.QtheChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218758159201317186noreply@blogger.com