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Friday, June 12, 2009

LG15 Update


"Hey everyone,

It’s been a bit since we gave you any updates about LG15 and the website, and we apologize for that. It’s been a challenging but exciting year for us at EQAL. We’ve worked hard to build a technology product, sign deals, and launch shows, all in the worst economy since the Great Depression. The advertising industry has been particularly hard hit, and as you know we finance our shows by selling sponsorships to brands. Thanks to companies like Neutrogena, 20th Century Fox, P&G, Microsoft, Orange, Paramount, Disney, Toyota, Cadburys, and others we’ve been able to produce free entertainment for all of you to enjoy. Unfortunately when the ad market “vanished” last fall it became very, very, very difficult to get advertisers to finance new original series online. We need to build a profitable company so that we can continue to produce high-quality free entertainment for all of you, and so we made a strategic shift. Over the past six months we’ve focused on extending existing entertainment brands online, and thanks to that decision the company is doing well and we’re launching really cool shows with Paula Deen, Anthony E. Zuiker’s Level 26, and Alicia Silverstone. There are even more exciting projects like this in the works that we think you’ll love.

We know that you feel like we have “forgotten” about the LG15 community. Well, we haven’t. We’ve been really busy and sometimes things slip through the cracks. We loved producing “LG15: The Resistance,” but we went out of pocket to get it off the ground and because we launched it during the economic meltdown we weren’t able to get sponsors for a Season 2. Fortunately, LG15 is doing great via LG15: TSIY and through our international licensing efforts. We’re psyched to see how well the LG15 community has responded to LG15: The Last, and we’re just excited as you are about the finale. Amanda is working with them right now to finalize the schedule. N1ck0la, LG15’s Polish spin-off, is doing great and we’re excited with how strongly the community out there has responded to it. As you may have seen, we licensed LG15 to a Japanese company, so lonelygirl15 and KateModern will find a whole new life with a Japanese audience, and they might produce a local version of LG15 for Japan. We’re working on even more international licensing of the brand.

In terms of the website: Yes, we know the software is old and cranky. Unfortunately we made a variety of deep structural database changes when we created the new version of the software and launched Harper’s Globe, so it is not simply a matter of “pushing a button” to upgrade LG15 to the new software. Tyler and Patrick are looking into this today and by the end of next week we’ll know how much work it will take to upgrade the site. If we can’t do a seamless upgrade, we have some other options as well. Either way we will be re-launching LG15.com on the new software to coincide with a new season of TSIY sometime in August/September. Once LG15 is on the new software it will receive regular upgrades just like Harper’s, Paula, and all of our other sites.

Finally, regarding my comments in the NewTeeVee and MediaWeek articles. Although we aren’t producing original online series right now, we would very much like to return to that when the advertising markets recover. As it pertains to LG15, we want to see more of the ongoing adventures of Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Lucy, and the gang as much as you do. We don’t want to do it half-ass, so we need to wait until the time is right so that we can bring back LG15 with a bang. In the meantime we’ll be launching more international versions of the show to bring a bigger and bigger audience to the brand, and we’ll continue to add features to the LG15 website so that it’s easier and easier for you guys to contribute to the LG15 mythology.

Thanks.

Greg"

Source: http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2009/06/lg15-update.html

38 comments:

  1. More excuses and bull only the most naive would believe. I stopped believing a word you said a long time ago Greg.

    Finally time to stop checking for updates. What brought me here originally is now a distant memory.

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  2. You still need to change the title of the previous post. Calling something official when it is just speculation based on unreliable sources is just one of the things that makes me uneasy about this blog sometimes.

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  3. Thad: I titled the prior post "the official death of the lg15 franchise" based on a legitimate news article that said "The company is not planning any more lonelygirl15 encores." It was far from an "unreliable source," and at least 3 other articles have including similar language in the last two days. Greg has now put his spin on the articles, and I voluntarily changed the article title.

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  4. I agree somewhat mike, espically with the comments about the wesbite that the community have proved can be done fairly easily. (Renegade's javascript fix.)
    The last have proved that you don't need a big budget to make an enjoyable show and the first season of lg15 as well. The resistance was enjoyable but still suffered from the same mistakes made in lg15 i.e poor plot. If season two of the resistance happens drop the tv show style of it, with the "we are the resistance", weekly episodes are fine as long as they aren't advertised that and are explained properly in the plot.

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  5. So at least we know Daniel, Jonas, Sarah and Lucy are still alive......

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  6. Greg seems to put his foot in it a lot. Should let Miles handle these things. He's much better at feigning sincerity.

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  7. Oh look! Promises that everything's going to be better from the Creators! How novel and unexpected! </sarcasm>

    Even if you ignore the countless times they didn't keep their announcements and promises - simply think back about the butchered schedule of the new site last fall, and the fact that the "tech gods" of EQAL have been working on fixing a single link for four months now, and you know how likely it is they'll keep the timeframe.
    I predict another round of hasty hacks and patches before TSIY, and then nothing for another six months.

    Besides...even if they did move lg15.com to the newer site version - the new software version sucks as well!
    Just look at HG or Paula Deen - it's the same fucking text area with a submit box!

    New shit is still shit, to put it bluntly.
    So unless they finally got some phpBB integration going until the next epic fucku-- err upgrade, this is not going to change much. People are not on the site because their software is oh-so-awesome. People are there to see and discuss LG15. So if the content isn't right, the software is utterly irrelevant.


    We all know the Cs are masters of PR, and the same applies here: Greg masterfully spun reality to tell us just how strong LG15 is doing (and the commenters on inside were quick to jump to groupie mode) - but take a step back and look at what he wrote, and you'll see it's all smoke and mirrors.
    His points were:
    - The Last pwns
    - n1ckola pwns
    - LG15 and KateModern will pwn in Japan
    ...which is all good and well.
    But now ponder: How much of that is helping the English-speaking community?
    The Last has only the finale left. We don't understand n1ckola, and we have already seen what the Japanese will get now.
    We have two to three weeks of nothingness ahead of us, then one finale, and then another two to three months of nothingness until the next TSIY series starts. And we already had a month of nothingness up until this point.

    Sorry, Greg, but I somehow fail to see how "one episode in three and a half months, and no guarantee the next series will be watchable" equals "doing great".

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  8. Yet another promise to upgrade the LG15 website sometime LATER.

    Miles announced over a month ago that he and Greg were working to upgrade the site and yet nothing was done.

    Sure, it is clear that EQAL hasn't forgotten about the community. They continue to push the envelope in showing just how gullible they really believe we all are.

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  9. In other news, "Seinfeld" is also not dead. Though they stopped making episodes in 1998, it does appear on various cable channels, and in dubbed versions in other countries. It also continues to have a forum, where people post fan fiction based on classic lines like "i can't spare a square" and "neeewwman!"

    And if all the cast members can be convinced one day to stop the current hiatus, new episodes are coming soon.

    The glass isn't 98% empty - its 2% full!!

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  10. After user complaints about Eqal software on the Paula Deen site:

    http://getcookin.pauladeen.com/discussion_posts/list/2/517/1

    Greg posted: "Thanks for this thread. This is all very helpful. I have brought it to our tech team's attention."

    The complains were then quickly fixed.

    Now compare that with the way LG15: The Last has been treated. So yes, actions speak louder than words and so far we have seen nothing from Eqal to address the issues on LG15.com after months and months of empty promises.

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  11. But model! They are working hard on it! Honestly!
    The change from
    <a href="http://www.lg15.com/theresistance/">
    to
    <a href="http://www.lg15.com/thelast/">
    is just insanely complicated and will take at least another 3 months to complete! Please bear with them while they personally see to it that these issues get fixed!



    ...I don't think I have enough sarcasm tags for this thread.

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  12. In the time it took Eqal to write their post the problem we are talking about could have been fixed. Is it fixed yet? We will let u guess the answer to that one.

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  13. I would say its not that they have "forgotten" about us, they know we are still here. it is frankly the fact that they don't give a fuck about us anymore. We don't make them money, thus we are on the bottom of their list of importance. which is fine with me. its been so long but I haven't "forgotten" about EQAL or LG15, but much like them for us, I just don't give a fuck anymore. and I know I am not alone.

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  14. So what is keeping Eqal going so strongly if the fans have been left behind? Are they gathering new fans or holding onto hopeful ones? Obviously, something is working for them, if not for the LG15 fans.

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  15. This is sick you guys.. you do realize that this has been going on since 2006 and everyone has ALWAYS stood behind greg and amanda.. can you please give them an effing break? so what if they don't get things done in FIVE SECONDS FLAT.. they recently had a freaking CHILD.. also.. you guys, for fans, you sure do complain alot.

    and to think i was a part of this so called "community"

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  16. @Anon: I can tell you exactly what is working for them - the press.
    Read the NewTeeVee article for example.
    The primary player in the online drama business has just admitted to having done a major shift in their business approach and stopped producing original series. They correctly start their article with the question "What does it say about the state of original episodic content online when one of its biggest success stories believes its future lies in traditional TV?"

    ...and then?

    Nothing. The same old verbal/textual dick sucking.
    Instead of pushing, prodding, poking, asking the uncomfortable questions, they happily turned their article into a 2870 character advertisement for the new EQAL.
    Go back in their archives - it's always the same: Even if they start with the implication that something might be wrong, after 5 lines at the latest, the rest of the article turns into a giant-ass text-ad for EQAL and tells you what kind of successful business geniuses the Creators are.

    It's insanely good marketing by the Creators, you cannot deny that - it's utter bullshit, but it's the only thing that counts, ultimately. Some random executive at CBS doesn't give a shit what random internet weirdos in blog comments say - they listen to the industry press.
    And EQAL has made very sure that the industry press hails them as the Jesus of internet video.

    That is what's working for them.

    @michiev:
    I know some countries are hesitant on providing sexual education in schools, so I'll try to put the following in simple terms:
    Miles is a man.
    Men don't give birth.
    Miles also is not married to either Amanda or Greg.
    In other words: Miles didn't have a child recently. Period.

    Why am I picking Miles? Simple. Because Miles said three months ago he would go and fix the links ("I will spend time this week working on creating categories in the 'The Last' forum and working to fix problems like the link you talked about").

    In case you are not aware, the difference really is as simple as demonstrated in my previous post. All they have to do is remove 13 characters and replace them with 7 new ones. It takes longer to open and close the files than to actually fix the link.
    Amanda could do it while feeding Jack, ffs.

    So tell me - after giving them more than three months to do a five minute job, how much more time should we give them? Two months? Four? Maybe a whole year? 'cause lord knows it's damn complicated to erase "theresistance" and replace it with "thelast".

    Also, you seem to have a little misconception about the terms "community" and "fans". Being fans of lonelygirl15 doesn't mean we have to be mindless drones who happily swallow every piece of shit EQAL pushes down our throats, and it doesn't even mean we have to like EQAL at all - we're fans of a series, not of a company.
    Besides, if you really don't see community in a thread where everyone (safe for you) is standing together against yet another cycle of empty promises and bullshitting, I'm curious to hear how you'd define "community".

    Us being a community is the only thing that is keeping that site alive - if it weren't for the community, none of us would still be here.

    Lastly, if you honestly believe that, since 2006, everyone has always stood behind Greg and Amanda in the decisions they made...then you clearly don't know enough about this community to lecture us on how we should behave (and obviously don't regularly read this blog, for that matter).

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  17. So does this mean Bree could still be alive?

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  18. I personally believe that members of the community shouldn't jump down other members' throats simply for being optimistic...

    I got yo' back, michiev.

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  19. If michiev was simply being optimistic, I was simply being cheery.

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  20. Joe, Bree is definately alive. The real question is why she has a scar on her back.

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  21. Greg really, please. Enough of the PR about how great EQFU is doing. This isn't the Mac Expo. We get words all the time and no actions. Srsly, Ren fixed the site already. It's not rocket science for a tech team to fix for months.

    Also, can you please ask Amanda to stop working on the "schedule" with The Last. I have a feeling if you guys were not DELAYING it, we would have a finale by now.

    Michiev, you "used" to be a part of this community? Well you must like our views and comments a lot for someone who no longer associates themselves with us, to keep posting their vids here.

    Greg, seriously dude...really. C'mon man. we're not all 14 who think this is so cool.

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  22. I still have hope. LG15 was something I loved from the first moment I watched it. Bree was an amazing character and some truly wonderful things have come from those humble beginnings not only as far as web series in general but the community and projects surrounding LG15. Unfortunately times they are a changin'. The fact is, you guys are only getting half the story here. I understand being bitter about watching something you love come to and end, but it remains that things have to change and evolve. LG15 simply isn't a show that can last forever, a story like this has an expiration date. Also and very unfortunately for us original web based content is a casualty of our current economic crisis. Not the only casualty either mind you, if you look around everything is suffering, notice how many movie remakes they are doing? do you think good original movie concepts aren't out there anymore? wrong. It's a sad but true fact that in times of economic crisis what suffers most are the arts and creative enterprise. Personally I can not begrudge them for the shift. If it was a choice between keeping my business afloat and making the popular choice I would do what was best for my business too. They could have given up on us completely (and with comments and feedback as harsh and unforgiving as what I see here I am semi surprised they haven't) but from what I see that isn't the case. Until it is the case, I will continue to hold out hope, even if I stand alone to do it. Because like they say "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." -Andre Gide

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  23. I think you are missing the point, Sasha.
    The point is, we have heard all these promises and reassurances countless times before.

    We are not angry at them for scaling back production rather than giving us the full deal.
    We are angry at them because they have given up on us completely, and yet keep on pretending they haven't, expecting everyone to jump when they decide to throw us some scraps.

    If you honestly believe the crap they're posting, answer me a simple thing: Which part of the economic crisis is preventing their developers to invest five minutes to fix a tiny link on a website, over several months?

    But hell, fuck it. Let's play a little game instead.

    DO NOT SCROLL UP

    "Over the last few months we’ve been hard at work putting together the latest installment in the LG15 Universe"

    "For now we’re focusing on LG15: The Show is Yours and some other exciting projects that we will be announcing in the new year."

    "The first episode of the show will be posted on September 20th on LG15.com"

    "In August, we will relaunch LG15.com [...]"

    "there will be even more interactivity than on either of our previous shows thanks to the enhanced technology on the website"

    "Over the last several months, we have been working to rebuild the LG15 website"

    "We’re incredibly excited about the show and we’ve put together an amazing team of people to produce it."

    "We know there are a lot of features you’d like to see on the site, including PMs, seeing unread threads, editing posts, quoting, and formatting and we’re going to roll out a variety of fixes and new features to the website in conjunction with the launch of the featured community show. "

    "[...] and the site will go live in mid-September prior to the launch of the show"

    "[...] will be hosted on the latest iteration of our software and will offer a ton of new features that I think you’re all going to be very excited about. "

    "Right now we’re focused on building out the community features on LG15.com so that it’s easier for you guys to tell your stories."

    "The re-launched LG15.com goes live on Monday, September 15"

    "Get ready for an exciting lonelygirl15 finale on August 1!"

    "Despite this, we haven’t forgotten about the LG15 community. We can’t “flip a switch” and upgrade LG15.com, but we’ll be working rapidly to upgrade the database schema to match the new framework and re-launch LG15.com with the new features."

    "In fact, there will be even more interactivity than on either of our previous shows thanks to the enhanced technology on the website."

    "[...] and we’re just excited as you are about the finale."

    "Either way we will be re-launching LG15.com on the new software to coincide with a new season of TSIY sometime in August/September."

    "The new LG15 show will be premiering in September on www.LG15.com."

    "The cast and crew are busy filming videos for a spectacular finale [...]"

    "As you know, we are preparing for a re-launch of the LG15 website [...]"

    "[...] and we’ll continue to add features to the LG15 website so that it’s easier and easier for you guys to contribute to the LG15 mythology"

    "[...] it is not simply a matter of “pushing a button” to upgrade LG15 to the new software."


    ...and now tell me, without looking it up, which of these are from yesterday's announcement, and which of them are months old. (Yes, all of them are genuine.)

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  24. I do not think anyone hates Eqal. This is just a question of being fair. They asked the fans to make a series and The Last have filled their side of the bargain. What Eqal did not say was that they would walk away from the community. In fact when asked nicely by femaleprodigy to fix the problem with the site Miles did say that he would personally arrange for it to be fixed. Now the CEO of a technology company should be good for his word. This is not brain surgery here. Why then has Eqal failed to act when it has been clearly shown that it is in fact simple to solve the problem despite what Miles tried to have us believe.

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  25. Let me be clear about being fair. Life is not fair. Business is not fair. Eqal is a business and they have a right to be as ruthless and cut throat as they feel is to their advantage in order to survive. However Miles is a human and a CEO and there is also the question of respect and being fair to the community that has supported him.

    Has The Last been treated fairly by Eqal? I think most would say no. It is understandable that Eqal needed to promote Harpers Globe but did they need to do it at the expense of The Last? True Eqal did give them the opportunity to create a canon series. True they did give them $2500. True they did post it on LG15.com. But, then they just dropped the ball and focussed on HG.

    Yea, business is the school of hard knocks and it reminds me of the story of the man who wanted to teach his son about business. He put the boy on a high wall and told him to jump. "Trust me, I will catch you" the man said to his son. The boy jumps and his father lets him crash to the ground. "That" he says to his son "is your first lesson in business".

    TSIY-2 beware! Make sure you negotiate a deal in writing that makes sure your show will be promoted and fully supported by Eqal.

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  26. @ Renegade: seriously ren, you've been jumping down my throat since the moment i joined up at the LGPEDIA, now i honestly don't know what i've done to deserve that.. but this isn't the first time you've decided to be rude, i wasn't talking about Miles.. and i know what a community is.. people are nice in a community, some people here are completley out of line.

    @thad: thank you :D at least someone isn't going to be a jerk.

    @Renegade agai, wow.. that was you cheery? i'd HATE to see you upset.

    @Micfranxon
    i mean i used to go to the forums and talk to everyone there, i don't anymore because of the crap i see over here.. and also, modelmotion posts my videos when he wants to, i never asked him to do that.

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  27. michiev makes great videos.... just saying:):):)

    That is what this community has always been about and its nice to see someone who has created their own niche and does it so well.

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  28. I'm sorry if this dents your ego, michiev, but...I have no mental association with your name at all.
    I know you exist, but I don't remember talking to you on the pedia, and given that it's been quite a while since I've been active there, any discussion we had was likely at least a year ago.

    In other words: Whatever personal grudge you assume I hold is purely imaginary, with no basis in reality. I think both your characterization of community behavior as well as your assessment of the support situation of the Cs are utterly ridiculous and show a lack of involvement with or understanding of the community - but who made those statements is essentially immaterial for my reply.
    I would have refuted the same bogus claims from anyone.

    As for me being cheery...that was sarcasm. I was just as cheery as your post was "simply optimistic".



    Also, I would like to point out that, after complaining about both my post and my attitude, as well as implying I was being out of line, the fragment "i wasn't talking about Miles" shows that, as much as you seem to be upset about my post, you didn't even understand the most basic point I was making.

    So, again, in even simpler terms:
    Your statement was "so what if they don't get things done in FIVE SECONDS FLAT.. they recently had a freaking CHILD".
    Amanda and Greg had a child.
    The Creators are Amanda, Greg and Miles.
    Miles is not Greg.
    Miles is not Amanda.
    Ergo, Miles did not recently have a child.
    Therefore, the excuse "they recently had a freaking CHILD" for the massive delays in even the most basic tasks is void, because one third of the Creators did not "recently [have] a freaking child", the very same third which mainly responded on website issues and claimed he was going to care for it.

    Amanda and Greg having a baby does not prevent Miles from fixing a single link.

    Got it now?

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  29. So you don't know me at all.. but your going to be a rude CONDESCENDING jerk to some random chick on the internet? because thats what your doing right now..

    also. i know what sarcasm is.. and i seriously don't think im the one who has an ego problem here.

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  30. No, I would be the one questioning your baseless claims that "everyone has ALWAYS stood behind greg and amanda", that Greg's fatherhood and Amanda's childbirth prevent Miles from doing 5 minutes of work in three months, that being fans automatically and categorically precludes us from criticizing EQAL or the Creators, and that the fact that we were all united somehow meant that we weren't a community.

    I mean, let's be honest here: You have three posts in this thread. In the first one, you posted the wild claims I just mentioned. In the second one, you asserted an imaginary grudge I'm supposedly holding against you personally. In this last one, you are pretending I am randomly being a "rude, condescending jerk" to "some random chick on the internet", rather than acknowledging the fact that I neither chose to reply to you at random, nor that what I said was a direct reply to bogus claims you made, rather than random insults.

    Point being: You have yet to make a single post in this thread that is even remotely based in reality.

    How about you take a step back, assess the situation, and, if you want to support the Creators, do so by laying out what, in your opinion, they have been doing right in the past 12 months, how exactly "everyone has ALWAYS stood behind greg and amanda", and how it is understandable that two people having a baby results in an entire company being incapable of doing 5 minutes of work.

    In other words: How about you start arguing on a factual level rather than continuously hurling insults first at all of us ("and to think i was a part of this so called "community""), and then at me personally ("rude CONDESCENDING jerk")?

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  31. First of all, why don't YOU take a step back. I posted my honest opinion in the first post and you have the right to come back and accuse me of being delusional. everyone is allowed to have an opinion here, dude.. and i'm not trying to be a raging bitch, but your being very inconsiderate.. there is a nice way to tell me that everything i think is wrong and i'm a delirious person for thinking the way i do. but you do it in the worst way possible.. So no, i do not think that I have to take a step back.. i think you should be taking a step back and reading over your posts to see how inconsiderate your being, even Thad thinks your jumping down my throat for having my own opinion.. and you, in the simpliest terms.. are..

    Also speaking of simple terms, you don't have to keep treating me like i don't understand what your talking about.. In my first post i said AMANDA AND GREG. i didn't say anything about miles.. and maybe miles is BUSY doing other work, i mean its a company for goddsake. do you think that people who own appartment buildings get to the little things before they're done with the big things.. but i don't really see the point in posting this because your just gonna come back and say that you don't understand what im saying and that your right, and im wrong.

    So screw it, i'm done with this conversation.. Ya'll (the rude people) can just suck it, and if anyone thinks im being out of line.. they can tell me so in an email.. so as not to over-extend this articles comments ([email protected])

    Thank you, Good Day Sir.

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  32. Logic is the first casualty of an emotional response.

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  33. Well, if it's quite obvious you simply don't get it, what other choice do I have than to point it out?

    Yes, you only mentioned Amanda and Greg in your first post. You only took them into account. Which is exactly why your excuse is void, since Miles and a dozen other employees also exist.
    That was the entire point of my post, and I have to admit I don't quite see how that is so hard to understand. (Or even debatable, for that matter.)

    The same goes for the attempt to explain it away as Miles being busy doing other work - as quoted and linked before in this thread, Miles explicitly and directly stated he was going to work on it - multiple times. Not to mention that it is only 5 minutes of work, so even if he was busy doing other work, the probability that he was so busy over the past three months that he couldn't spend 5 minutes fixing a link is rather low...especially since he did have the time to talk to us about it on various occasions.


    As for you still trying to paint me as the evil madman (surprising how that always happens right after I deconstructed a post >_>), let me show you again what you actually posted, since you don't quite seem to be aware of it yourself:
    --
    "This is sick you guys.. you do realize that this has been going on since 2006 and everyone has ALWAYS stood behind greg and amanda.. can you please give them an effing break? so what if they don't get things done in FIVE SECONDS FLAT.. they recently had a freaking CHILD.. also.. you guys, for fans, you sure do complain alot.

    and to think i was a part of this so called 'community'"

    --
    So, we were happily stating our opinions on EQAL's latest musings, and you chime in
    - telling us what we were doing was "sick"
    - randomly throwing in how LG15 has been running since 2006
    - making up that everyone ALWAYS supported Amanda and Greg
    - demanding we give them an "effing" break
    - pretending that the fact that they got a child prevents them from doing 5 minutes of work within three months AND that the entire company is also shut down since the birth
    - implying that being a fan of something automatically means forfeiting the right to question or complain about the company behind it
    - implying that we were both below your worth and not a real community

    ...you call that just posting your "honest opinion"?
    You post that, insult everyone not only in this thread, but the community as a whole, and complain about other's behavior?
    You post that as your entry into the thread, and wonder about the reception you're getting?

    I did not actually call you delusional yet, but if you honestly are that unaware of they way you entered and behaved in this discussion, then the term might very well apply.

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  34. Dude, seriously.. i had no intention of coming in here and ruining all your fun. And... uh... really, your allowed to discuss your opinions and insult the creators, but i'm not allowed to have my own opinion and tell people that i think they're being unreasonable.

    also since you seem to quote all of my posts word for word in italics, i might add.

    "Point being: You have yet to make a single post in this thread that is even remotely based in reality."

    If thats not calling me delisional. i don't know what is.

    Now, ... im seriously done with this, if this is the way im treated then i'm not coming back here.. And model, you can stop posting my videos since Micfraxon possibly has a problem with them..

    Sorry for ruining your "Bash The Creators" thread.. you all seem to forget that they're people. and you know, think bashing them is going to get things fixed faster. i don't think they take kindly to being put down by their community.

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  35. You're very much allowed to have your own opinion...but there's a vast difference between stating an opinion and making stuff up that is simply not true.
    (And that's not even starting a discussion on to what degree insulting everyone counts as stating your opinion, or pointing out that, nowhere in your entire post, you refer to the rationality behind anyone's statements.)

    Beyond that, there is a rather clear distinction between "not based in reality" and "delusional" - but seeing your posts so far, it doesn't surprise me that you're not one for semantics.

    It's a question of belief - if A is true, and I claim "A is false", then that claim is not based in reality.
    If, on top of that, I also ignore all evidence to the contrary and fully believe A is false, then I'm just plain delusional.


    Lastly, the fact that you call it a "bash the creators" thread shows just how little of the thread you actually read or understood - my collection of previous quotes of previous announcements alone proves how very true the allegation that this is just the same old blabbering is - and that's just one out of dozens of posts.

    There is a difference between mindless bashing and speaking an ugly truth - seems like you can't take the latter.

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  36. My two cents:
    Everyone is accountable for their actions, or in this case inaction. If the C's want to maintain their fans that they allegedly treasure so much they need to follow through on promises. If they don't then they do deserve to have a backlash. Without a solid fan base they wouldn't be "Eqal" they wouldn't be securing these other deals. We've been used, we're angry. We have a right to voice our opinions about feeling slighted.

    Yes, they're people and they have lives, but there's only so many choruses of "Baby I'm sorry I'll change", that I can take.

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